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| ChokeAthletic SFUK member (9/25/00 11:47:33 pm) 152.163.207.59 Reply | Edit | Del All |
CHOKE
IÕve just returned from the UFC in New Orleans and want to set the record straight on a few things. There has been quite a bit of criticism levied at Choke just lately. Even though facts that have been quoted by Chas and ignored, will, yet again, be twisted to suit the needs of certain SFUKers, I feel that I must say my bit. First and foremost, I apologise on behalf of myself and my company for any offence caused to SFUK. The whole thing has been totally taken out of context. Let me just explain the setup of our company to outsiders. We have 2 offices. The first is our main base where we also run our other business interests from. This particular office has 5 cpuÕs linked via a network (6 if you include the laptop). The main workstation that has been responsible for these postings, is in an open area for all to use. I personally, have encouraged my personal staff of 6 to post messages on both SFUK but more importantly, the Choke Zone, with the intention of generating some interest. I'm afraid that phantom posts were added to beef it out a bit.....No real crime there. The second office is at my home where we have a dojo and studio built into one room. This area is a place for the guyÕs to hang out and train, while at the same time, use my personal cpuÕs for sending emails, postings and playing Quake over the net. This particular studio is MilesÕ (My artist) main place for creating new designs. Again, everyone is encouraged to post messages on the above mentioned forums. There are no set times for the staff to ŅworkÓ. ItÕs more a case of people getting their necessary bits out of the way (Work wise)and then hanging out as friends. Now to the main point Š ArmBarredTooOften is a real person and has real opinions (Albeit slightly less mature ones). If IÕd known how much of an issue would have been created, by something that was done more tongue in cheek than anything, IÕd have stepped in and put an end to it all. As I write, none of my staff are allowed to go near any of our cpuÕs to post any type of messages. This kind of puts an end to freedom of speech, which is pretty sad! If you could see the culprit responsible for the single detrimental post, you wouldnÕt even bother raising an issue. To put it plainly, heÕs a 17 year old whoÕs main role with Choke is to send out parcels and make the tea. Nothing more and nothing less. As far as self promotion goes, there are far better ways to promote products, than by posting on forums. With regard to my last set of posts, the pics of the El Loco character, was posted to get a response to the overall concept, not to try to sell our gear. The follow on posts were also done in a tongue in cheek manner. OpticFeed is also a very real artist based in New York, who had given his blessing for Miles to use his name. Again, in hindsight, not a very good idea. But too late for that now. My whole point so far has been that we were trying to get the ball rolling in the MMA scene, as things had started to stagnate a little. The focus was on giving the scene a little kick start, and to add a bit of spice. That certainly worked! IÕm fully aware that things have ways of taking care of themselves, but I guess I shouldÕve taken a step back before diving in. Since forming, we have made it very clear that our intentions are good. We have a structured business plan that will take us out into the worldwide circuit. Already, positive moves have been made from my stateside visit to address this. But we arenÕt just looking at the big picture either, as we have, and are already helping out with certain areas of the UK MMA scene. We currently sponsor Ian Freeman and Leigh Remedios along with the rest of Team TMA. IÕm very confident that they will all say that so far, weÕve honoured our contractual agreements to the full. I went out of my way to make sure that Leigh was looked after on my recent trip to the UFC. I also made a concerted effort in helping out with IanÕs fight night preparations, without getting in the way too much. I'm pretty sure that my experience in motivation, played a small part in getting Ian ready for his tough night. He is truly an ambassador for the UK and is a natural in front of the crowds, TV people and those who matter most. We will obviously do whatever is necessary to meet with his requirements. I couldn't dream of a better person to endorse the Choke range of gear. Not only are we the sponsors of Team TMA, we have also sponsored some of the lesser known fighters out there and will continue to do so. IÕm currently preparing a new package for someone right now. We are also currently in talks with a major player in the U.S, to bring their show/setup to the UK. This will be slated by certain armchair warriors out there, but it can only do the UK scene some good, if our fighters are able to see some top names competing, and maybe they will get the chance to compete against some of them? Who knows? ItÕs still very early days yet. If it does come off, people from the outside might just take an interest. I think it's great that SFUK has a great little community going, but there's still so much room for the scope to be widened. Other areas we are working on Š Full support of shows, seminars etc. For instance, on a few of our ŅPhantomÓ threads, weÕve given our full support to Rob and the Full Circle crew for their up and coming Ian Freeman seminar. We stand to get sod all out of this. Even though we are doing a stand there, when you deduct travelling costs, hotel feeÕs and percentages to be paid out on sales, we will be running at a loss. If we were in this just to make money, we wouldnÕt be doing these kind of events. Now that leads me to percentages, with the recent Iron Man competition, we decided to pay Andy 10% on any items sold. It seemed only fair to do this as I thought at the time, it would all help out. It turns out that Andy didnÕt make any cash from the show and IÕm sure that his percentage from £600 was quite welcome. IÕve always understood in business, that you get nothing for nothing. ThatÕs why I offered the money. It wasnÕt offered as a bribe. Anyone who suggests otherwise is an idiot! I had previously approached Andy about working out an exclusive deal for the MB2 show, where I hoped we could use it as a proper launch pad to sell our gear. I donÕt see this as malicious in any way at all. It makes perfect business sense to me. If we were set to block out SFUK from selling TÕs, we would have asked for exclusivity from both Lee Hasdell and Fred Rado For their shows. Chas has already pointed out that a simple phone call to either of them will clarify this. But I guess itÕs fallen on deaf ears? To put it bluntly, we pose no threat to you guys at all, and we certainly donÕt see you as a threat to us in any way. Plenty of room for everyone....I've already stated this to Jonathan. Just jumping back to the Iron Man comp, the issue about me giving AndyÕs girlfriend our T to wear, is just petty! Jo is a very intelligent woman, whoÕs capable of making her own decisions. If IÕd told her to wear a Choke T instead of an SFUK one, she would have told me to piss off! ItÕs as simple as that. I only asked in jest, why she wasnÕt wearing a Choke T. She said that if I got one for her, sheÕd wear it. ThatÕs as simple as it is. No hidden objectives there. Again, if IÕd realized how upset you people would get, I would never have bothered. My guess is that there is some bad feeling about our sudden arrival on the UK scene? I fully understand any sceptics out there want to have a dig at us. That's life I'm afraid. I donÕt in any way wish to tread on toes and am fully aware of my actions. With this in mind, I will set about disbanding the Choke Zone forum and will now let the merchandise do the talking. Again, IÕm SORRY to have caused offence. Nothing was pre planned and we most certainly do not have any hidden agendas. For all the people whoÕve stepped up to support us, thank you. For all those who have stepped up to slate us, fair play. But for future reference, this could have all been resolved very quickly with a simple phone call, instead of facts being distorted against us when I was in no position to defend myself. IÕm still slightly amused that something so trivial can cause so much offense? But my sense of humour has always been slightly off key. Oh, one more point. With regard to Paul & Alexis at London shootÉÉ.We backed off as soon as we heard that you were dealing with the TÕs. If weÕd been as black hearted as we are being portrayed, weÕd have marched in there with a big money deal. IÕm pretty sure that we did the honourable thing by taking a back seat. I know that deep down, you know it too. They are 2 guyÕs that weÕd jump at the chance to sponsor, but there are right and wrong ways of going about the business. IÕve already explained this to Alexis via a phone call and to Paul at the Iron man comp. They seemed to fully appreciated our point of view. Why are we being portrayed as the bad guys on this one? Ask Miguel, he knows the score with the whole thing. Sorry to bring up your name here Mig, but the truth has been twisted here. There are other points to be raised here but I'm knackered from flying back from the states. I hope we can leave this issue alone now and go about our business. I admit that IÕve made some mistakes with regard to certain issues, but IÕm man enough to stand up and say sorry. I will learn and I will grow from this. Signing out Paul@Choke
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Flashmotors
 SFUK member (9/26/00 8:35:42 am) 205.188.195.48 Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: CHOKE
Welcome back Paul. Jetlag must be bad this morning. Thank you for pulling me in...All I can comment on is the London Shootfighters topic although the arrangements are private between SFUK and Paul-Alexis. I was unaware when I spoke to Paul and Alexis about being sponsored by Choke that they had already agreed a sponsorship deal with SFUK. I only did this because they are my teachers and my friends and I want the best for them. The final decision was theirs to make. Choke offered them a sponsorship deal and I passed that on to them. Choke did agree not to pursue London Shoot after it was made clear that P & A were already sponsored. Regarding Iron Man, etc... I know nothing guys, sorry. Regarding the "Phantom" posts. It went into overdrive because of "Armbarredtoooften's" comments that SFUK was crap and he was heading off somewhere. By saying it was crap he was not only insulting SFUK but also us, the users. This is why it was such a heated and passionate thread. It upset me too. I thought the "guy" was a complete donut too. By finding out that they had been posted by the Choke office suddendly every body "knew" the culprits because I'm sure nobody knew who armbarred...was. Everybody at that stage became very angry with those actions. I think that you have done the right thing to hold your hands up and say sorry publicly. Remember guys, behind every obstacle there is a miracle ! To everybody out there, I wish you all the very best on this lovely day. buy, sell, hire OR just enquire www.flashmotors.com "just remember when in doubt, behind every obstacle, there is a miracle"
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| Leigh
R SFUK member (9/26/00 10:19:05 am) 194.82.103.45 Reply | Edit | Del |
sticky situation
the conflict puts me in a very difficult position to make comment, as one one hand i get on very well with the sfuk staff while on the other hand i am sponsored by choke athletic but more importantly paul is a true friend. maybe it would be wiser for me to keep quiet but if my comments can help straiten things out then they can only benefit. right, first off i have to state that i can't read ip addresses so i don't know the story there. i feel that those of you in the same situation should also take a back seat, or atleast check facts before jumping on the band wagon (as is SOOO often the case here). however, i have met both jonathan and james on several occasions and believe that neither of them is capable of lying. if they say the addresses are there then i beleive them. with regards to paul comments above, as far as i know nothing of what he has said is untrue. i have seen his training gym and met some of the staff and his comments regarding the facilities are 100% true. however, i have not met 'optic feed' or some of the other guys although i do know for a fact that they exist. i will also say that i think paul is a top bloke. although we have a contractual agreement, he has gone out of his way to look after me. for example, the skeletal contract basically states that i am to receive financial support and free clothing of a specified value, but choke paid my iron man entry, give me bonuses for appearing on tv and in magazines as well as for fighting and also sort me out with more un-contracted clothing than you can shake a stick at, none of which is obligatory. on top of that, paul really took care of me in new orleans, buying me food, paying for extortionate taxis and such. i know it sound like i'm kissing ass but those of you who know me also know that i do that. i may be many things but i'm not a liar or a toady. my point is that while i don't believe that the sfuk staff are liars, i also don't believe that paul is underhanded. it just doesn't fit his personality. what i do believe, and will probably get slammed for (like i care), is that this forum is full of sheep that love to to jump the fence and right on to the bandwagon. it's happened to me plenty. one minute it's all "leigh, you're the greatest lightweight of all time. can i please climb inside your ring any deeper?" and the next it's "yeah (agreeing with previous post) you should have more respect." like my comments about jeremy bailey and leighton hill. i expected to get slammed but everyone is like "go leigh! you have every right to be mad!" and then, before i even repost, jeremy's brother takes offense and so everyone switches their opinions'. if you guys have valid opinions, then feel free to air them but if you are just repeating someone else, how can you expect to be taken seriously? especially as alot of people on this site have nothing to do with mma. now i can say these things, as i am not a business man and public oppinion doesn't bother or affect me - if it did i would have beaten up a few people at the iron man. but i couldn't care less what you guys think of me. however, paul IS a business man and cares greatly what the public thinks of him. that is why it is difficult to believe that he would pull a stunt like this. don't kid yourself if you think he is naive to ip addresses. he would have known for sure that he would have been found out. as i said, i know both jonathan and james and they are great guys. as i said, they wouldn't lie. but if paul's account covers the situation, then i would be inclined to accept it.
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| Leigh
R SFUK member (9/26/00 10:22:51 am) 194.82.103.35 Reply | Edit | Del |
one more
thing...
i also think it was low to attack julian when he clearly has nothing to do with the situation - he was only asking everyone to wait until paul got back to defend himself. i also had nothing to do with it and will get pretty pissed off if people attack me. oppinions are one thing but abuse is another.
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| Flashmotors
SFUK member (9/26/00 11:20:05 am) 205.188.198.173 Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: one more
thing...
No more posting from me on this subject. I am joining the Liberal Democrats now, LOL buy, sell, hire OR just enquire www.flashmotors.com "just remember when in doubt, behind every obstacle, there is a miracle"
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| hsd
mauler SFUK member (9/26/00 11:24:06 am) 192.232.120.194 Reply | Edit | Del |
CHOKE
I think that everyone in MMA will agree that a conflict of this nature, whoever is right or wrong, can only damage the UK scene and create divisions. I would also expect that in a sport of this nature that this will not be the last time that a situation like this arises, it would be foolish to think that would be the case. In a young sport such as this in the UK it is obvious that individuals, companies, sponsors and promoters are going to be plying for some kind of top position, we are after all involved in a fighting sport which survives on competition and winners. There is nothing wrong with competition, in the business world it is about survival, you have to be a winner. Problems arise when you have only have a small cake to eat and two many people want a piece. What you need to do is work together and create a bigger cake! Hopefully this will happen at the end of October. At present MMA is a like a small family in the UK and divisions cause disruption and can eventually destroy the family. Only when the family is big and successful can members then leave and become successful themselves. Or as in the case of Ian Freeman they go outside the family to prove that we do have the ability to develop and be successful, i.e. lead from the front. SFUK is a great site and will continue be successful and spread the word about MMA both in the UK and abroad, their enthusiasm for the sport seems to have no barriers and as a resource for the MMA people in the community there is no one more dedicated. The people from Choke although newer to the overall scene have already made great strides in there own recognition and even though by their own admission they have made mistakes and are still learning like everyone else in this business in the UK. However it is obvious that they also have the potential to be very successful at what they do. Both parties although dealing with different markets within MMA, have crossed over into each other's areas of expertise. This should not be a problem as it gives us the consumer more choose and variety. There is one simple fact. They both need MMA, in order to be successful and while MMA is still young and learning in the UK, we have to work together. Only then will the cake become huge and successful and everyone can have a nice big portion. Sorry for ranting on but like most people in this forum and involved in MMA I truly want it to be successful. I want the fighters to be successful and have the recognition they deserve from the public. I want the promoters to have the money and backing to be able to put on large events and gain some rich rewards from that and also I want the businesses to be successful in the market place. I am glad that Choke have issued the above post. I'm now sure that SFUK, who I know although extremely upset by the situation can see that this argument no longer needs to continue. It would be nice to see both parties in London at the end of October with a single goal in mind. Make MMA a successful sport in the UK. You have the power! Mauler
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| Guru1 SFUK member (9/26/00 11:33:44 am) 195.92.32.83 Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: CHOKE
Very good post HSD.
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| Levo SFUK member (9/26/00 12:49:52 pm) 62.255.229.114 Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: CHOKE
Good posts guys but it still stinks to high heaven from where I'm sitting. Whatever way I look at it Paul, his employees and their various "Phantom" s calling sfuk crap, the promoters dinosaurs and the scene "stagnate" and "pants" doesn't help. Neither does trolling/spamming other's forums. Writing a whole bunch of excuses and belittling peoples concerns ("I'm still slightly amused that something so trivial can cause so much offense?") and then finishing with "but I'm man enough to stand up and say sorry." is pretty funny. I'm sure your business partners and those you bankroll will disagree.
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| Guru1 SFUK member (9/26/00 1:19:23 pm) 195.92.32.83 Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: CHOKE
Not wanting to disapoint you Levo, so heres my reply... Paul has apologised, what more do you want? You want this to continue, every day another thread about Choke and the whole situation?
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| ChokeAthletic SFUK member (9/26/00 3:19:23 pm) 205.188.193.171 Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: CHOKE
Levo, I already knew that whatever I would say would not be accepted. I'm not after redemption, I just wanted to be able to set the record straight. The internet itself is a great resource, but you also have a problem with misinformation. The major issue with the internet is anonymity - once people have anonymity all rules are lost and all human values/morals go out of the window. People will lie or harass, and they are not accountable for their actions. It sucks, but it's very true. You will always get keyboard warriors who will sit in their high chairs, making bold statements, without any real thought behind what they are saying. I have admitted that the actions of myself and staff were at fault and I've taken the step to apologise. What more do you want? If you actually knew me, you'd realise that I mean what I say. If you want to drag it on and on, you are the one putting a halt to the "progress" you keep harping on about. Paul
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THC
 SFUK member (9/26/00 5:54:58 pm) 212.126.156.39 Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: CHOKE
"The major issue with the internet is anonymity - once people have anonymity all rules are lost and all human values/morals go out of the window. People will lie or harass, and they are not accountable for their actions" Which I believe is exactly what has upset most SFUK'ers.
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| SFUK SFUK Staff (9/26/00 8:17:45 pm) 195.92.67.74 Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: CHOKE
Good evening Gentlemen.
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| SFUK SFUK Staff (9/26/00 10:37:34 pm) 195.92.67.79 Reply | Edit | Del |
Nitty Gritty
OK, Re: Phantom Spammers. I'm sorry but I don't buy the 17 year old tea boy troll story. Mr Tea Boy and his colleagues spam us from work and then go back to your house and spam us some more. Sure. I'll be in NYC on thursday, I'd love to meet OpticFeed and talk art & design. Re: Exclusivity. Funny, Andy didn't mention it was for the MB2, quite the contrary, and Charles also referred to the 'Sole Vendor' status being applicable to IMUK. We don't have a problem with exclusivity. We have a problem that a company that we've helped, that knows we'll be there at IMUK, that has even arranged a meeting there to discuss shorts production, that says "Plenty of room for everyone".....would want us excluded. So this "makes perfect business sense" to you ? Really? How about in a friendship sense? How about in a "We want to work with anybody" sense? Or a "we certainly donÕt see you as a threat to us" sense? Call us old fashioned, but for us, trust is repaid by trust, kindness by kindness. I'm sorry I missed the Jo episode. But I was told about it by 3 different people. One of whom was Andy. He told me that Jo was upset about it and so was he. Let's leave this part of the argument shall we? Re: Alexis and Paul. I'm sorry that they feature in this. But I's like to point out that I only said that SFUK were doing their T's. I actively encouraged you to sponsor them in other ways because I said they could do with the money to fund their training. Again I'd like to stress that I didn't bring them into discussion here, and it's a shame they have been dragged into it. Again, it's not the multiple screen names, or spamming or trolling per se, it's the way we extended the hand of friendship to have it bitten off behind our backs. Brushing it off as "something so trivial" doesn't help. Anyway, thanks again for the apology, it's going to take us time to digest. SFUK |
| Guru1 SFUK member (9/27/00 8:35:18 am) 195.92.32.83 Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: Nitty
Gritty
Morning dudes, Not berating, merely asking a question, well two actually... I fight too, i have fought 26 times, undefeated to date... Arm Chair warriors are, i feel the guys who go to a show say maybe once every year, buy the odd UFC vid and then think they have a right to decide how things should be done, whats right and whats wrong and what others should do and say. They feel they have every right to decide rules, regulations, purses, locations, infact whatever they feel that day. I, despite my statement above am no longer an active fighter, i do however spend time everyday/night discussing MMA whether it is with fighters, promoters, journalists, sponsors or potentials. SFUK for instance, eat, breathe and sleep MMA, the site is a shining examople to that. There are also others who for instance go to pretty much every show, take photos for our enjoyment, do interviews, arrange seminars and so on and so forth.
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| Leigh
R SFUK member (9/27/00 9:00:57 am) 194.82.103.40 Reply | Edit | Del |
eh?
er, i think i missed the point, master of the filing cabinet body slam
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| Leigh
R SFUK member (9/27/00 9:02:01 am) 194.83.240.21 Reply | Edit | Del |
well...
what are your 2 questions?
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| Levo SFUK member (9/27/00 10:42:10 am) 62.254.0.5 Reply | Edit | Del |
LMFAO @ Guru1
"Arm Chair warriors are, i feel the guys who go to a show say maybe once every year, buy the odd UFC vid and then think they have a right to decide how things should be done" - that sounds like a very accurate description of someone on this thread. btw, how many events have you been to this year? "I fight too, i have fought 26 times, undefeated to date" - eh????? 2 questions?????? I hope your post was supposed to be a joke. I think this attitude that you have to be a fighter to have a valid opinion is a major insult to fans.
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| Guru1 SFUK member (9/27/00 12:13:42 pm) 195.92.32.83 Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: LMFAO
@ Guru1
2 this year Levo, maybe even a third, you never know, dependent really on whether my safety can be garunteed! I am also off to Russia in November, France at the end of November & maybe, possibly Japan or New Jersey, depdends on where Ian fights next!! (all within the year!) Which part do you want to be the "joke", surely not my record right? "I think this attitude that you have to be a fighter to have a valid opinion is a major insult to fans"... You've missed the point mate, sorry, i'll try and clarify... I think that fighters, promoters, managers, trainers, sponsors, manufacturers, photographers, organisers and those directly involved in the sport should influence its direction, not, as stated above, "arm chair warriors" whose opinions change quicker than threads on a forum! Take Leighs post, a perfect example of the ever changing opinion! "We love you, we hate you, we love you, we hate you, it never ends, these people cant work out whether they love the guy or hate him? (Me personally, i think he's kind of cute,lol) You dont base your decision or opinion on what you feel other forum members will agree with and im afraid that alot of people do. Those people are the people i feel should not be involved with important decisions. Sorry, i should have explained it alittle clear at the start. julian.
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| Levo SFUK member (9/27/00 2:42:17 pm) 62.255.233.31 Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: LMFAO
@ Guru1
The bits I considered a joke were - a) claiming a 26 and 0 record on an MMA forum without saying what kind of competition these were in. b) calling people "Armchair warriors" and dismissing there opinions because they "go to a show say maybe once every year, buy the odd UFC vid" when I've never seen you at an event, even when fighters you've signed are competing. You only seem to go to events when Ian will be there. I didn't see you with Leigh at ROT3 or Ironman, John at ROT3, Dave at Pancrase etc etc etc I still have to disagree. I know plenty of fans who's opinions are more valid than those of some "fighters, managers.., sponsors, manufacturers etc". Just because someone is involved with the business side of the scene doesn't mean they can't be talking cr@p. And what's wrong with changing your mind after reading others posts? You've got some strange views Julian
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| Levo SFUK member (9/27/00 2:52:46 pm) 62.255.233.31 Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: LMFAO
@ Guru1
...and still no sign of those two questions. btw, I totally agree with SFUK's comments on Choke whether that's considered "jumping on the badwagon" or not.
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| The
Stain SFUK member (9/27/00 2:53:38 pm) 192.11.224.101 Reply | Edit | Del |
Lets not
get off the subject here......
I haven't been around to comment on the subject in question here in any depth and by the looks of it neither has Choke. However now that he has posted on here lets not get sidetracked and 'highjack the post' by going of on different subjects, particularly ones which can only add to the annoyance of SFUK members who want to voice an opinion of which ever aspects of MMA they feel like on any particular day. To openly share views, as an armchair warrior or a fighter is a great way to learn and thats what makes this place great. Remember, when educated you tend to view things in a different way, hence the changing of opinions. Stain
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| Hiromatsu22 SFUK member (9/27/00 3:05:45 pm) 194.106.156.137 Reply | Edit | Del |
Opinion
Ok, I think the debate about who's opinion is more important is a little hypocritical, it kind of undercuts the whole meaning of an opinion. Please remember, this is a PUBLIC opinion forum. If you don't like to hear others opinions, maybe you should start your own, and talk to yourself all day. I apologise if my tone seems a little harsh, but dismissing people because they don't fit into you idea of correct just annoys me.
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| Guru1 SFUK member (9/27/00 3:09:53 pm) 195.92.32.83 Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: LMFAO
@ Guru1
It's all in office fighting, real No Holds Barred, anything goes! (glad to see you took it in the fashion it was meant!!) Has ROT3 been and gone??? Also, have you ever met me in person??? has anyone? well one of the guys at SFUK has, oh and Ian and Leigh and Keith too, but thats about it. Ofcourse you can change your mind, but when you slate someone, then in the next post your giving them "Maximum props, then your slating them again, all in the space of a few minutes, now that doesnt make sense right?? Its true, its true, i havent gotten to as many shows as i would have liked to. I didnt make the Iron Man as i had a wedding, i couldnt do the ROT2 as i was working, i will however hopefully make it to ROT3! So, if there not involved in the "business side of things" they can talk crap?? Theres alot of strangeness going about these days Levo!
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| digby SFUK member (9/27/00 3:54:14 pm) 212.163.133.231 Reply | Edit | Del |
SFUK it -
I«ll jump on any bandwagon
not got much time, but I«ll give a few opinions - and the only justifications I need to give them is that I have them, I like this scene, and it«s a SFUKing public forum. Leigh - you have an personality that often verges on the extreme which, unsurprisingly, makes peoples opinions change - that«s the way I see it. Julian - sometimes you are just downright insulting to many people who are just mere «fans«. Choke - not quite sure what it was you apologised, it was very vieled, and I«m still sceptical to say the least. as for archair warrior«, I guess I am. so what. I have fought in the past (judo, boxing & kick boxing for anyone who is remotely interested) however my record is appalling, again so what, it was never going to be the arena I excelled in, but I felt it still had to be done. I dont fight at present, finding time to even train is difficult, and to be honest I«m getting a little old. as for hiding behind the PC - I«ll be at RoT3, Digby is also my real life nickname, not just a screen name to hide behind. I think I«ve made 1 or 2 ˇnemies«over this whole scenario, but I stand by it - I think SFUK deserved the support, and still do Digby
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| Levo SFUK member (9/27/00 4:27:18 pm) 62.255.232.3 Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: SFUK
it - I«ll jump on any bandwagon
oppps.. I meant ROT2.
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| Pooch
SFUK member (9/27/00 4:28:51 pm) 194.176.205.237 Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: SFUK
it - I«ll jump on any bandwagon
Sorry to go off the track a little here, but what do you actualy mean by "Arm chair warriors" does it apply to any one with an opinion who does not hold a professional status ? Or is it for people who train MMA but do not fight pro ? Or is it fans of the sport who do not train ? Seeing as at least 90% of the forum train in MMA I think its a bit of a silly phrase. Pooch
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| Guru1 SFUK member (9/27/00 4:59:23 pm) 195.92.32.83 Reply | Edit | Del |
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Ok, not much time...so... Firstly Digby, i find your motivation questionable & your accusing tones insulting, thats my opinion. True, im very opinionated, as are many others here, some, believe it or not are worse than me!!! (shock & horror!!) Ive taken alot, so im going to give it back. Its the net, its an opinion, if you dont like, fine, but dont expect me to accept yours if you cant take mine. "Sometimes your down right rude" but sometimes, i can very respectful! Levo, i hope to catch you soon, at ROT3!!! Ive done TKD, Karate, Ju Jitsu, taken my fair share of beatings and handed the odd one out too!! Office fighting is something i will look to promote soon! Pooch, i explained earlier what i consider to be an "arm chair warrior", it certainly wasnt the first time the term has been used, even you have used it in the past, along with pretty much everyone else. Again, its my opinion and i stick by it. I have agreed with loads of people and disagreed with just as many. Its not personal. Enjoy the rain and he miserable grey skies! Until tomorow, Peace Julian
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| Pooch
SFUK member (9/27/00 5:07:57 pm) 62.7.85.232 Reply | Edit | Del |
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Julian I have never used the term Arm chair warriors, get your facts right. Feel free to check the archives mate Pooch
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| Guru1 SFUK member (9/27/00 5:11:42 pm) 195.92.32.83 Reply | Edit | Del |
Re: SFUK
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I stand corrected!
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| Pooch
SFUK member (9/27/00 8:47:07 pm) 62.7.39.15 Reply | Edit | Del |
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Thats OK Julian.
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| Guru1 SFUK member (9/28/00 10:06:52 am) 195.92.32.83 Reply | Edit | Del |
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Now theres a novel idea!!!
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