Terry Coulter Interview
to right Big Mark Roe, Lee Murray, Terry Coulter
Dexter Casey 17 March
did you get started in Boxing?
I started boxing at the age of 9, my dad was a professional boxer, had 52 fights
only losing 4, when he was a boxer it was hard times, were talking 25 30 quid
a fight. If he was alive today hed be a champion. I just followed in his
footsteps really. I retired from boxing when I was 28, after a year I missed it
so much I went back into coaching up at the Fisher. After about a year I met Mark
Roe and we opened our own club. From there I went with the pros. I started off
with a fighter named Mickey Cantwell; he went on to fight for 4 world titles.
Nice fellow Mickey, unfortunately he got beat in his last fight against Baby Jake
Matlala, we threw the towel in he was getting a bit of a pounding. He just wasnt
at the races that night. I have been around some good fighters. I trained a good
light middleweight Paul Carr. I trained Frank Harding a good middleweight.
Losing to Baby Jake is no shame.
No not at all the man is a legend.
How did you go from serious pro boxing to becoming involved with Lee Murray and
Well that was a strange one. A very good friend of mine Steve Dillon phoned me.
He told me about this kid he knew who was doing this cage shit I know hed
be a good boxer, after quite a long while missing appointments we met. From speaking
to Lee on the phone and thinking I am speaking to a dopey seventeen year old kid
I met this guy who was very level headed, very positive, knew what he wanted,
just not very good on the phone, thats what I put that down to. We met over
the Peacock gym in canning town and I said to Lee I dont know what you know
I know what I know, were going to go in the ring in a minute, dont try and
impress me because I am sure as hell not going to try and impress you. Just be
yourself, he got in the ring and the shots were coming from everywhere, you could
tell he was a brawler, but Christ the talent stood out. I spotted the talent straight
away. I knew this kid had something. We had a good training session actually.
He was quite cheerful after. I told him I thought he had a talent and a future
and weve been together two years now and we havent looked back. Hes
come on a bundle. People say hes thrown lucky punches this and lucky punches
that but you got to work with this guy to know what hes capable of. Hes
Listen you get so many people walk in the gym in a week, dont matter if
theyve got the arsehole they just dont have the talent to be a boxer
and you have to tell them. People like Lee are one in a million, Hes a survivor,
that kid can fight, he can fight. Hes got natural ability in buckets and
that puts Lee a cut above the rest.
Estimate Lees potential as a boxer when he finishes with the UFC?
I have had this conversation with Lee, I feel if he went into Pro Boxing, he would
have a belt in 18 month and he could earn far more than he could earn in the UFC.
As long as he dont destroy himself. Thats the thing with Lee. I see
him as another Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson in the early days that man was unbeatable
but he got with the wrong people and they destroyed him. Lee could go all the
way as long as he stays professional.
You have been with Lee 2 years and you have followed him to Iowa and Holland to
keep him in shape when he goes to train his grappling. Youve seen some great
trainers, what makes a great trainer?
Someone who cares, you have to care for what youve got. Youve got
to be a father to that fighter, his best friend, you have to see when somethings
wrong, its not always about getting in the gym you have to have the social
side as well. Ive got to know Pat Miletich; I have a lot of respect for
Pat as a fighter and as a trainer, very talented guy. I like him, I can I have
a lot of respect for him I could see that guy knows his stuff, another guy Remco
Pardoel know his stuff knows his wrestling. Id love for Lee to go to America
and train with Pat because I know Pat could help him a lot more on his ground
game that would be something.
Whats Lees greatest asset as a fighter?
Himself, himself. Hes a good striker, hes good on the ground but his
self belief and will to win is phenomenal. Ive had fighters in the dressing
room and they can fall apart but Lees knows how to channel those nerves
into aggression. He gets nervous like anybody else but he can control it and perform
under pressure. As a trainer you must notice little things with fighters, when
we were getting ready for the Jorge Rivera fight we were in the changing room
and there was something wrong, something was missing. I took him aside and I had
words with him. Then I took him on the pads again, after that session I had to
walk outside a put my left arm in a pitcher full of ice Lee hit the pad that hard
with a perfect left hook. So I noticed there was something wrong and we fixed
it. That is all part and parcel of knowing your fighter. Lee is Confident, fearless.
You cant really tell if you have hurt Lee because he doesnt react on his
face when he is hurt, however if he does feel a shot you can hear him say in a
high pitched voice "Yeah!" when you hear that your in trouble because
you just woke the devil and HELLS coming!
You recently asked me to reach out to Wes Sims, What do you see in Wes Sims because
he doesnt have a great record?
No well, I spoke to Wes Sims manager Chris at the UFC, we just met briefly obviously,
I didnt see his fight that night because I was concentrating on Lee. And
I was excited at the time; you have to be excited to watch your fighter fight
because they feed off of that. Well with Wes Sims I watched the fight 4 or 5 times
and I thought cor this kids got something, I can do something with this kid, And
I wouldnt put my balls on the line and say that if I didnt think I
could do it. If I can persuade Wes and his manager Chris to come over for a couple
of weeks and work with us in the Am-Pro Gym hed be a different fighter.
Also it would let people know that the professional boxing side of things and
the MMA it can mix. And it can be done properly. I think Wes I can make his punches
so much faster and much harder, its hard to explain but I can see something
Well I believe you, after the few sessions weve had I can feel the difference.
So two I imagine would be a huge difference.
Thank you Dexter I take that as respect off you.
Well respect is due! Another Question for you, the gym is called Am-Pro gym, now
your partners with Mark Roe, Julius Franciss trainer. What makes you so
open to MMA? Why are you open to letting your pros to MMA?
Well when I started training Lee I didnt know anything about it, I have
leant from Lee. Frank Warren did an article in the paper, well Frank Warren dont
know shit about MMA, he called them all pumped up steroid freaks, well there not,
there supreme athletes. Youve got to have a lot of courage to get
in that cage. God their gloves are like mittens you ride a bike with, you dont
really want to be hit by them. I respect them and Im willing to train them
and to listen and learn from them. You never stop learning, any trainer that tells
you he knows it, turn it in mate. I leant things from Lee.
When Lee fought Jorge Rivera and when he fought Amir the shots he threw were extremely
fast and came from a very balanced stance, did you teach him that?
I actually leant that off lee. My actual Boxing stance isnt far off that
but we widened it just a touch so that you can sprawl. I am actually teaching
my pros that and Im getting a lot more power out of it. Im getting
a lot more response a lot more balance. I mean Amir
Rhadvarhi, that guy thought he was going to stand up with Lee, 4 and a half
seconds I think the fight lasted. Boom the guy was gone. One of the best left
hooks I have ever seen thrown by any fighter pro or in the cage, he took that
shot and he was gone. Pele, Pele done well he took the fight to the floor but
he didnt dominate Lee on the floor Lee has his defenses. In
the Second round he tried to trade with Lee and he got caught with a short overhand
right to the temple and got koed. Nobody does that to Pele, give Lee
his respect again. Jorge Rivera we thought he was going to try and stand with
lee, he took Lee to the floor and Lee tapped him and I am glad he tapped him so
easily because that will make fighters hesitate when there facing him. That seconds
hesitation will open up a lot of doors for Lee. Lees very alert, people
say he losses his temper but hes controlled
impressed with Lee Murray; Im impressed with a lot of fighters in the UFC.
I mean Wes Sims hes another one. I think we can really help him, in turn
it will help us really put us on the map, hey this is a two way street, you help
us well help you.
Right Terry, I need to ask you about two separate drama cases Tito
Ortiz and Phil
Baroni. New York Bad Boy or whatever he calls himself Big Boy or whatever
I was there Lee was There Tito was there. We all know what went down. It takes
two men to Tango, Tito what he did he did and Lee what he did he did. It was a
fair fight you cant blame anyone. I respect Tito as a fighter, I dont
know him as a person so I cant comment, and he might be a right nice fellow.
But as a fighter hes a warrior and you cant take that away from the
man. He and Lee have obviously got a beef; I think it is bad that it ever happened.
I also wish that Joe Rogan had not brought it up I think it put a bad taste but
he did. All I would like to say to all the people that are writing on the Internet
and sending in emails is this listen this is a sport lets keep it a sport. I would
like to see Lee and Tito fight. Lee put some weight on Tito lose some weight and
fight. Win Lose or Draw let that be the end to the matter, get up shake hands
finish, leave what was on the street on the street. The sport dont need
this, at the end of the day there two warriors there proud people. Let them fight
in the UFC and let that be the end of it.
for Phil Baroni, good fighter exciting fighter, he gets in the cage and you know
hes going to fight, lets a lot of talk about Lee putting the money obstacle
up, well listen, Lee Murray fought Amir for nothing, he should have gone to the
UFC after that but he didnt over the Tito incident, hes then fought
Pele for nothing, then hes gone to the UFC and fought for nothing (after
taxes and expenses Lee actually lost money). You cant keep on fighting for
nothing especially not people like Phil Baroni. If Lee was boxing now and he was
going in against one of the top light heavies in the countries hed expect
to get paid and Id get him paid for that. I spoke to Lee and hes okay
with it, what ever you get and whatever Lee gets we put it in the middle winner
takes all. Lee will do that will you Phil?
Terry any last words?
Actually yes, I would like to take my hat off to Andy
Jardine for helping Lee get into the UFC. If not for Lees punch up with
Tito Ortiz, I think the Amir fight would have been enough to get Lee into the
UFC, unfortunately after the Tito incident the UFC shied away from Lee. Jardine
set it up and so he gets my thanks. He has done similar things for other fighters
but you do not hear a lot said about him. Andy is from the streets with him you
get what you see and you can deal with that, I like that about him.
any fighters out there that want to work in my gym are more than welcome. Its
in Crayford way Crayford, Kent, 01322551144 Me and my partner Mark, hes
a very experienced trainer have a good system here and we can work with all levels
MMA trainers or Pro fighters
anyone wants to know any more about it they can call us or come to you and I can
answer your questions and as I always say this is what I learnt off of you Dexter
personal greeting from all at AM-Pro boxing gym to the New York Big Mouth Phil